Interestingly enough, the Made in Italy stamp on the bottom did survive 2. This mark is found on guns that is not made in Belgium by countries that use proofs that is not recognized by the Belgian Proof House. Some proved pieces exist, and are marked in the case of revolvers with the letters U.S., in the case of other arms with the letters V.P. 0000134772 00000 n 5% DISCOUNT ON ORDERS OVER 5000 ROUNDS!!! endstream endobj 36 0 obj <> endobj 37 0 obj <>/ColorSpace<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageC]/ExtGState<>>>/Type/Page>> endobj 38 0 obj <> endobj 39 0 obj <> endobj 40 0 obj [/DeviceN[/Black]/DeviceCMYK 63 0 R 64 0 R] endobj 41 0 obj <> endobj 42 0 obj <>stream 0000003341 00000 n But I am starting to believe this is true. acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". 0000005072 00000 n Quick View Add to Cart . PN under a star is an Italian black powder proof. SKU: FR186012. 0 0000059736 00000 n 0000001537 00000 n 0000115678 00000 n %PDF-1.4 % 0000062843 00000 n Revolvers are marked on barrel, on the frame, and on each chamber. Gun Barrel Proof Marks. Italian Firearms Year of Manufacture Look Up. This will be an on going 0000012438 00000 n Information, NRA The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. They went from BU to BZ 2004-05. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showforum.php?fid/131, https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/modern-replica-dating-by-proof-marks.49482/, Pietta Full Fluted Cylinder 1858 NMA Pistol Question. Definitive proof applies to all weapons and shows that the weapon has been tested with an overcharge of propellant and missile. 0000014256 00000 n Of course, the date stamp is not on the barrel or cylinder, but the other marks are. Their health and their love.I love The people I have gotten to meet in sass and the ones that have just talked to on the wire.I do like to shoot and pick on people at the shoot.I love the hugs I get and the ones I will get when I meet some on you people. 0000004871 00000 n trailer 0000002445 00000 n Pietta. The same rulses are more or less applied today. 0000002668 00000 n 0000099401 00000 n The year of I have a older or what looks to be older blacke powder revolver that i have purchased. Product Catalog Revolvers made in Italy Most relevant Alphabetically: A-Z Alphabetically: Z-A We recommend Special offers BA 112 Magazine-Tube Pump-Action Shotgun Brand: Best Hulu Arms 5% discount for over 250 pcs order. Proof Marks or Thank you for Under their charter the Gunmakers Company had powers to prove and mark all manner of hand guns, daggs, and pistols, and every part thereof, whether made in London or in the suburbs, or within ten miles thereof, or brought thither for sale, or imported for foreign parts. These small manufacturers started with supplying only parts and then evolved into completed guns. J. A great deal of painstaking research work is necessary before a list of armourers marks applied to pistols can be compiled, but I have every hope of preparing such a list at a future date when peace is restored in Europe and the great museum collections are accessible. August 19, 2012, 10:13 AM #8: MogrenE. Next is the mark which has "PN" - the Gardone & Brescia 1st Black Powder Proof mark used since 1959. There is a crown over V, which is a final view mark for proof. Feedback. skootchingdog 4 yr. ago It seems fitting that "XXX" happened in the 70's. 0000010481 00000 n Remington New Army 1858 as copied by the Confederate Army during the Civil War. Birmingham had also a proof, but this test was not obligatory, and makers evaded the tests. Year of Manufacture: 1997 (BI Date Code) Caliber: .44 Cal. I would be grateful to any lover of arms who possesses authentic dated weapons, or has catalogued a private collection, if he would send to me, in care of my publishers, any such information which will add to the mass of fact available. In now represents definitive black powder proof except for muzzle loaders 1893 - present 14 Designates guns with rifled chokes. ITALIAN PROOF MARKS CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN since 1951 since 1951 since 1951 Brescia Gardone Gardone & Brescia provisional proof for all guns provisional proof for all guns definitive proof for guns with smokeless powder finish proof for firearms ready for sale 1st black powder proof since 1951 since 1951 I pray for all on the wire and all that I shoot with.After this last fight with cancer that my wife and GOD and all of you that prayed for her.Things change your outlook some. This rifle is equipped with an elevation and windage adjustable Creedmoor rear sight and spirit-level tunnel front sight with windage adjustment micrometer screw. Included with the marks is a brief history of each of the manufacturers who made or are still making these replicas and the importers/distributors who imported these replicas based on what is currently known about them. 0000003896 00000 n Inspectors WWII German Codes & Markings GUN MARKINGS Please enter the markings you want to research and click the submit button. 1858 New Army Revolvers. reference books that display proof marks and their meanings. The Italian proof houses in Gardone and Valtrompia have been around for a very long time but as far as reproduction black powder arms are concerned, the dating begins in 1954. LSB#: 210317JM01. Serial Numbers. BICBWmaybe a call to PIetta or Uberti would solve the mystery?? referred to more commonly as "Proof Marks", Yours may be an example. 0000006823 00000 n Thanks for posting those codesI use them quite often to make sure the correct parts are ordered. Specifications: Manufacturer -- Fusav di Bini & Baronio (Italy) Date Code -- "AD" = 1978 date of manufacture Barrel Markings: Left side -- 36 Cal. 0000037090 00000 n These 1873 cattleman new model black powder muzzle loading Showing all 17 results Default sorting Sort by popularity Sort by newness Sort by price: low to high Sort by price: high to low We have just started to assemble this on going source of Proof $399.00. All photos published on this site are the property of the author or are published with the permission of the authors. SPANISH PROOF MARKS PROOF MARKS: SPANISH PROOF MARKS, cont.PROOF MARK CIRCA . The second is the crossed branches, with the letters A.E. 0000011827 00000 n Serial Numbers. %%EOF :hatsoff: That is exactly the table that I was looking for. 3l\9/OEK0joW/L242:ORES\";OhBzP%% - eupGHsP/Y$T y&$ iJ.iO7+asMi3>6fV#iBM u*wzY!.biCEy;Z7yA+lpNQFP+dV4N5t i 0000077398 00000 n Condition Grading Definitions For Antique Firearms, This website may not %%EOF 0000004035 00000 n Founded in 1957 by the late Val Forgett, Jr. Over the years, this company has imported many black-powder and modern surplus firearms and replicas. 0000008724 00000 n To establish this rule, they constructed a proof house near the City of London. 0000009831 00000 n (tr_WXvvL6Eu'}OI U-XY!A:Xnid~g,~:@ZP&kl$VsYA<5FTbf]0>okJ!wK9ae0 Lc#As;$'NS.7 5bUSGD}pzYVn5"I-6.K3obuGUQ,qe2F'.2sAI/.Dr\,:cyH=y39'vT-[ 6T I have searched for this site but can't find it. xref 0000062418 00000 n 21 Proof Marks - Germany 1891 - 1939 proof marks: Nitro Final proof Black powder Choked bore Rifled bore Smooth bore 22 Proof Marks - Germany Weapons manufactured prior to the proof law taking effect (1893) were required grandfathered, but had . Re-proof mark, seen on black powder rifles which had been proofed with nitro powders. The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. All that tells is that it was made in Italy in 1976. Military firearms can be difficult to identify because they To make purchases and use the full site services, register or login your account, Shooting accessories/Guns storage/Training, Immediate shipping on a all products listed, Contract - 5.56 x 45mm 62 Gr. to identify antique arms from different parts of the world, we decided PROOF MARK CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN since 1852 Belgium provisional black powder proof for breech loading guns and rifled barrels - - double proof marking for unfurnished . Yk1wJuYdBY"dS =\ =bz_$[om^+eh,*({5)JIZDf? 0000007663 00000 n I am stomped any information would be great. 0000064924 00000 n Many of the models imported are classified as curios and relics. AN ITALIAN .44 BLACK POWDER REVOLVER SERIAL NUMBER D50212. Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks, Manufacturers Some proof marks on side of frame and the roman numeral XX. Following is a chart displaying the year of proof symbols used from 1954 to 2003. 0000005051 00000 n Starting price $499. 0000001247 00000 n The history of some of these makers and importers are no longer available due to lost records. Proof Marks or "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. . Davide Pedersoli's philosophy has been and is to retrace history by offering superior quality products even in gun reproductions Recreating a history of more than 150 years, our models represent for collectors, shooters and hunters a wide range of guns, short and long, military and civil, that characterize the historic period between the 1730 . 0000113366 00000 n Web site designed & maintained by Cap and Ball Revolvers . There are a number of 0000051690 00000 n 0000005765 00000 n Abbreviation and tradename for Early and Modern Firearms Corporation, a manufacturer and importer of black powder and cartridge arms in Studio City, California. Ordinance and Proof Houses were established by law in almost every For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I know that this info has been posted before, but I appreciate your posting it again. 0000052647 00000 n Anyone have the latest date codes? 1969 = XXV. 0000001338 00000 n Firearm Gardone & Brescia BP in 44 Cal Revolver Gardone and Brescia Italian Black Powder in 44 Cal Revolver; blued finish, brass frame and wood handle grips, 6.25" barrel, 13.5" overall length, six shot capacity, front fixed and rear grooved sights; barrel is marked w/ 'star over shield' and 'star over PN' proof marks (identifies Gardone & Brescia as armorer), MADE IN ITALY; frame is marked . Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. 0000011188 00000 n visiting our on-line listing of manufacturers identifying marks, 0000037734 00000 n 0000057983 00000 n Modern pistols and revolvers are proved in their last stage of manufacture when complete with action and in firing order. Also has pn with shield on cylinder. H\j0~ Uberti cartridge rifles embody the look and feel of the Old West. 1967 = XXIII. INTRODUCTION Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings - Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. 0000004861 00000 n The most visible change is the change from a crown to a star 1950 so crown and PSF is from the time between 1923 and 1950. The "PN" under a five point star in a wheel is the actual proof mark. 0000008549 00000 n 1860 Army Engraved Black Powder Revolver .44 cal Blued. 0000107556 00000 n 0000084840 00000 n M855 Green Tip. Over the years I was amazed at the poor quality control done. The Gibbs Deluxe Target Rifle features an octagon-to-round blued steel barrel, checkered and oil finished walnut stock with pistol grip, and premium wood butt plate and nose cap. 0000001770 00000 n 0000090159 00000 n H|TMs0+Vcv~$C4=[Yb$9?dowy3YY^TO~&nV;r6gReI LiFZj2C&-zR` The major manufacturers could not meet the demand and American distributors wanted more of and different models of what were being produced. 1989 = AU. From left to right (upside down) are the test house and black powder proof house stampings, followed by a boxed BM, denoting a . Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. black powder proof house stamping, and Gardone proof house stamping. The I hope it will aid those seeking information on their black powder cap & ball reproduction revolvers. During the 1960s, 1970s, and even into the 1980s there was a bonanza market for these replica revolvers. Interestingly, the spout/measure of the powder flask that came with my revolver only measures 19 grainsby weightof the blackpowder. +J+J+J+J4+J4+Ji4F`4F`4fCg~1x:4lCC6a` ? ? 0000027315 00000 n JavaScript is disabled. Some of the better reproductions, such as those by Colt, Ruger, or Thompson Center, might tend to retail more in the $100 to $350 range. Beretta used no date code in 1944. Again, thank you Prior to 1954, the year of proof was indicated in full Arabic numerals. 0000102139 00000 n 0000028135 00000 n The information was given to me years ago and yes I was wondering myself how they got 30% more powder into the cylinders! 0000002272 00000 n List of 294 Italian gun makers, Italy suppliers and sellers and distributors Home > Companies Gun & weapons dealers from Italy category Firearms/ Small arms 47 Ammunition 3 Ammunition Components/Reloading 1 Shooting accessories/Guns storage/Training 4 Gun Care 1 Gun Parts 2 Machinery/Manufacture 1 Operational equipment/ Survival gear 3 Airguns 5 Dashing Leper 36 Cl. 36 Made in Italy". The fourth the crossed branches, with the letters S.E.E., and a cross in their angles. Hb``a``=P @1630i`@GDTVs(R {g i 23>`.0,p?PA! 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